Some drawings from the Chat

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No, Royston, I will not end up with a $10 watch (well, I might if it was a piece of brilliant engineering and design, price has nothing to do here) I am simply against complication for complication - with jumping hour you have something less practical, potentially less reliable for more money, and that is what I do not like. An example from other area - when Mitchell designed the "Spitfire" he made it a real beauty, but would the plane make history if it was not a very very good fghter, design served the purpose, beauty was a way to it. Unnecessary complication is never right in practical use, I may understand the appeal of exhibition watches as long as they remain a curio and considering the CW jump hour as a technological exercise only, as a way of showing capabilities I deeply approve the idea. But for practical use, hmmm... Remember the KISS principle?
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Zinaida wrote:No, Royston, I will not end up with a $10 watch (well, I might if it was a piece of brilliant engineering and design, price has nothing to do here) I am simply against complication for complication - with jumping hour you have something less practical, potentially less reliable for more money, and that is what I do not like. An example from other area - when Mitchell designed the "Spitfire" he made it a real beauty, but would the plane make history if it was not a very very good fghter, design served the purpose, beauty was a way to it. Unnecessary complication is never right in practical use, I may understand the appeal of exhibition watches as long as they remain a curio and considering the CW jump hour as a technological exercise only, as a way of showing capabilities I deeply approve the idea. But for practical use, hmmm... Remember the KISS principle?
Your spitfire analogy is completely incorrect. The plane was not made for its appearance. The only consideration when it was designed was performance and function at all costs. You only have to see the issues they dealt with regarding flush riveting to improve speed to see that. The appearance of the plane (admittedly stunning) was purely a coincidental by product of the design to maximise performance. It just so happens in this case it made it 'look good' as well.

You seem to be totally missing the point with regards to automatic watches, If all anyone wanted is a watch that is functionally efficient, there would be nothing but quartz movements. The Automatic watch market effectively only exists because of the 'complication' and engineering marvel of the movements compared to the simple efficiency of quartz movements. After all, why are we all paying hundreds if not thousands of pounds for watches that are less accurate than a quartz movement that costs a few pence or pounds to make?

Having said all that, If you don't like a particular watch, you don't have to buy it. I never quite understand the need to 'put down' everything that does not meet with my own personal taste. I just enjoy what I like and move on.
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Zarniwoop - you completely misunderstood me - as to Spitfire we are on the same side, its stunning appearance was in a way accidental, beauty was not a goal but a result as i wrote clearly, I hope. Although good engineering usually looks good and vice versa this level of beauty and performance could only be achieved when engineering design was made by a genius and an artist. As to automatics - I haven't said a word about them (not even mentioning - against), in fact I am wearing automatics as EDC (and I am collecting mechanical Vintage - quartz watches are IMHO soulless although efficient, often extremely practical and estethic, pieces of wonderful engineering). But, sad to say, mechanical watches are things of the past, like horse transport, conventional photography, vinyl discs, steam engines to name but a few - extending their lives thamks to affection of enthusiasts like us, looking for the soul of machines and not sheer lifeless perfection of modern devices, useful as they are (must admit I am using a radio-controlled quartz watch as a reference for setting time).
Further, I have nothing against buying something I do not like (well, almost - e.g.if a restaurant offered human meat steaks I would disapprove both sides - vendor and seller). What I am against, and I feel you are in agreement with me in that issue, is complication for complication, sacrifying practicality on the altar of appearance, design which instead of serving users is against them. I felt, that while "jump hour" watch is an achievement for CW, both technologically and estethically, its practicality has serious flaws and I was afraid that the philosophy behind it might push this unique manufacturer in a wrong direction, a road ending with "designer watches" we both hate, don't we?
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Just recieved word that the C11 will be a black calendar on both auto and chrono versions.

You haven't seen the C11 yet, but prototype photos will be coming soon. I think you are going to like this one! 8)
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The C-what?! You can't drop a little sneaky post like that in here and not get it noticed, Kip!


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Kip wrote:Just recieved word that the C11 will be a black calendar on both auto and chrono versions.

You haven't seen the C11 yet, but prototype photos will be coming soon. Probably end of June.... I think you are going to like this one! 8)
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Kip wrote:Just recieved word that the C11 will be a black calendar...
Kip, what do you mean "black calendar"? Does this just mean that the calendar wheel is black?

Can you share the case size with us?
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stumpbass wrote:
Kip wrote:Just recieved word that the C11 will be a black calendar...
Kip, what do you mean "black calendar"? Does this just mean that the calendar wheel is black? ...
Can you clarify what you mean by 'calendar' as well (different things to different people, not necessarily in a watch context either :?)? - date, day+date, day+date+month, day+date+month+year?
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st-rider wrote:
stumpbass wrote:
Kip wrote:Just recieved word that the C11 will be a black calendar...
Kip, what do you mean "black calendar"? Does this just mean that the calendar wheel is black? ...
Can you clarify what you mean by 'calendar' as well (different things to different people, not necessarily in a watch context either :?)? - date, day+date, day+date+month, day+date+month+year?
If this is the case Kip, do u not mean auto and quartz rather than auto and chrono? as if what you put was what you meant then i can't see either being calandar watches just becuase ones going to be a chronograph :) .
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I am referring to the date wheel....

Reference this section of the chat.....


Christopher Ward : both mechanical and chrono quartz
Christopher Ward : in a new case... have to wait for end june on that one
downer : size?
Clarky : day / date?
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Christopher Ward : 42mm x 42 mm...does that give any clues
Christopher Ward : date only
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Loddonite : 42x2 Bell and Ross
Christopher Ward : concorde...fast jet head up displays ...all in the thinking
downer : have to sell my steinhart aviation...
village : its hip to be square...
Christopher Ward : squarish...
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Kip wrote:Just recieved word that the C11 will be a black calendar on both auto and chrono versions.
Let me guess, it'll be a White dial :shock:

Seriously though, depending on dial colour combo you need to offer both (not giving the buyer a choice, I mean black on White date wheel with a light dial and a White on black date wheel with a dark coloured dial).

Anyway, other than this 'niggle' it sounds very interesting! Oh yes, will CWL do a special version of the travel case for it?

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Kip wrote:I am referring to the date wheel....

Reference this section of the chat.....


Christopher Ward : both mechanical and chrono quartz
Christopher Ward : in a new case... have to wait for end june on that one
downer : size?
Clarky : day / date?
Helix Von Smelix : 48mm+
Christopher Ward : 42mm x 42 mm...does that give any clues
Christopher Ward : date only
nathanclarinet : B&R
jmarchitect : at last a chance to replace my quartz square
Loddonite : 42x2 Bell and Ross
Christopher Ward : concorde...fast jet head up displays ...all in the thinking
downer : have to sell my steinhart aviation...
village : its hip to be square...
Christopher Ward : squarish...
Aaah, the one i've really been waiting to see! Squarish tho eh? Tonneau?
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Kip wrote:Christopher Ward : 42mm x 42 mm...does that give any clues
Christopher Ward : date only
nathanclarinet : B&R
Loddonite : 42x2 Bell and Ross
The only one I know that is that size is Bell & Ross. Interesting as at the first GTG Chris asked us about B&R style watch and we all said we did not like that big square look. So it looks like he is going ahead anyway. Strange considering most people thing that the C15 at 38 x 38 is too big.
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ianblyth wrote:The only one I know that is that size is Bell & Ross. Interesting as at the first GTG Chris asked us about B&R style watch and we all said we did not like that big square look. So it looks like he is going ahead anyway. Strange considering most people thing that the C15 at 38 x 38 is too big.
Glad someone else said it first. 42mm square is a chunk! Too much watch for me. :(
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:lol:

shall we wait to see the watch before we dismiss it??