I am looking for any and all info or history on a family pocket watch that belonged to my great, great grandfather. All I know about it is from my father who claimed that his great grandfather had it until he passed in the 1920’s, upon which the next in line took ownership of it.
I was able to find a little information about the Elgin watch movement. I think the hands have been replaced, but I think the rest of the movement is original.
I can’t find any information about the case itself. I’m particularly curious about what the the serial number on the outer edge of the case is for. I think it says “71389” but I can’t be certain since it’s hard to read the numbers.
I would also be curious to hear any theories on what the letters “KOB” might be in reference to since they aren’t the initials of my great, great grandfather. Maybe a nickname or something else?
Thanks in advance!
Need info of great, great grandfather’s watch
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Need info of great, great grandfather’s watch
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Re: Need info of great, great grandfather’s watch
A quick shufti through the internet tells me that the Keystone Watch Case company is American, operating between 1885 and 1927. I know next to nothing about pocket watches (or watches come to that) but I think it was common for cases & movements to be made by different companies (I have 'Antiques Roadshow' to thank for that).
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Re: Need info of great, great grandfather’s watch
You may find this website useful:
https://www.elginnumbers.com/index.php
A quick check on the serial numbers would indicate the case was made in 1887 and the movement in 1896 - possibly put together using a stock case, or maybe the movement was replaced when the watch was 9 years old.
https://www.elginnumbers.com/index.php
A quick check on the serial numbers would indicate the case was made in 1887 and the movement in 1896 - possibly put together using a stock case, or maybe the movement was replaced when the watch was 9 years old.
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Re: Need info of great, great grandfather’s watch
Here is what I found
Movement
The case is a bit more difficult. but based on the trademarks....The balance scale was used beginning about 1890-92
Keystone" name in arch over Keystone trade mark = Gold-Filled, guaranteed for 15 years (note photo on right)
Watch Case Keystone Watchcase Co -in Panel-
Keystone Watch Case Co
H. L. T. S. Roberts
November 13, 1900
Trademark #35378
Trademark Number: 35378
Description: Watch Case Keystone Watchcase Co -in Panel-
Issued To: Keystone Watch Case Co
H. L. T. S. Roberts
Trademark Date: Nov 13, 1900
First Use: September 1892
Registration Type: Trademark
My conclusion, without a very detailed search, would be that the watch is circa 1898-1900.
Movement
The case is a bit more difficult. but based on the trademarks....The balance scale was used beginning about 1890-92
Keystone" name in arch over Keystone trade mark = Gold-Filled, guaranteed for 15 years (note photo on right)
Watch Case Keystone Watchcase Co -in Panel-
Keystone Watch Case Co
H. L. T. S. Roberts
November 13, 1900
Trademark #35378
Trademark Number: 35378
Description: Watch Case Keystone Watchcase Co -in Panel-
Issued To: Keystone Watch Case Co
H. L. T. S. Roberts
Trademark Date: Nov 13, 1900
First Use: September 1892
Registration Type: Trademark
My conclusion, without a very detailed search, would be that the watch is circa 1898-1900.
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Re: Need info of great, great grandfather’s watch
Thank you all so much for your help. This is all very helpful info! I appreciate your patience and willingness to help a guy who knows very little about this stuff. I see why people collect these beautiful timepieces and it's inspiring me to start my own collection too. Kip, thank you for digging up the info on the case. It was very kind of you to take the time to find that for me.
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